From: "Mary Ellen Curtin" Structure: 1 Su/U - stays 2 setup - stays 3 the fight - stays, needs more descr of Tracus 4 3 guys talk 5 K&S 6 the plot thickens; Areel 7 prison -- needs more descr 8 session 1 & father-in-law: this is where Nuradeen's relationship to his Tracus family becomes clear 9 Areel & S; Orions -- they should probably be descr; did you catch the ASCEM thread about "what color are male Orions?" The consensus seemed to be, orange. 10 session 2. I don't understand why K doesn't kill Nuradeen, too. Hm, "aftermath" says because he was wiped. Dunno . . . he's taken quite a licking in canon and kept on ticking. Do you mean it to have echoes of "Devil in the Dark"? because it does, and the effect (to me) is rather humorous 11 Spock; Jean; plot -- this section probably needs to be faster-moving 12 rescue. Need S or Mc's impressions of the compound 13 re-group; S&Areel 14 S&Uhura. Some of this repeats things Areel said. Also, does U really cry that much in canon? I think of her as the "I'm frightened" gal; when are there actual tears? 15 wakey-wakey. 16 A little technical, but *my* kind of technical. Now given that touch is not impaired, I don't see why it drives people insane. And it does open up possibilities for the most rampant (pun intended) sort of h/c, of course. Of course, neither of them will be feeling the least bit sexy, but my gutter mind calls for McCoy to prescribe some pretty heavy cuddling. Damn, where's that towel?;-P And why no mind-touch? yeah, yeah, for angst. But I don't quite see why Mc won't let S try a mind- touch, try to break through that way. 17 Uhura & Su -- she comes across as too gloopy. Understandable, but I think she maybe should cuss or something -- show a bit of steel. As it is, the tone here overlaps too much with the S & U scene in 14 18 Spock & Jean. V short as is, but I don't know if maybe it shouldn't be even shorter, so Spock's capture is more of a shock. 19 Spock's turn; McCoy & Jean. Spock's turn should maybe be longer -- tighter in to Nuradeen, maybe? More of a rant from him? Does he think S is a faggot? Then -- wo, what's Jean talking about? Did she just find out about X? Is this something you've been planning all along, you sneaky devil, or is this all Jean's idea? X may be making the overplot a bit too thick, or actually a bit too simple -- too much of the Doc Smith thing, forces of Good and Evil in their usual struggle. 20 Kirk takes charge. Good, I like the way this goes 21 the node. I don't see how Jean could have predicted this, or where X comes in -- maybe I'm just tired. But I think K should become more cold, less scenery-chewing. Admitedly, he does do it in canon, and I guess you want to evoke Mirror K -- but I've never found the scenery-chewing K believable or emotionally moving. It's the hard, super- controlled K that can make my blood run cold. But then, if he doesn't chew the scenery from time to time, is he Kirk? But if he *does*, is he scary? 22 Did this story really start with the hair? Say it ain't so -- though maybe you could use that to date it! I love the very ending. Damn, that's enough for tonight. ------------------------------------ To a certain extent, the story as it is now seems off the line of development of Entity-canon. That's why I'm bugging you about a date -- because you need to see where people, especially Spock, are on the line that goes from the Jean Little segments of L&L to "Gol." It's hard to see how the Spock in this version of "The Rod" ended up as fucked-up and as ignorant of his role as anchor. But I think it only needs a bit of tweaking: - right now, 3 different women tell Spock, "you're the special one, you're the one he needs, don't doubt it." I think Spock should be getting more of a mixed message, from K and/or from the people around them. Does he see K strut the strut for Areel? Does K stand him up for Areel, saying "you'll forgive me, Spock, this is what I need"? Does Mc say something deprecating, or Uhura (and she *does* say such things in canon), something about "the Captain has human emotional needs you wouldn't understand," for instance. Or is it looking at U, her relationships with Sulu and Nur, that makes S think he'll *never* understand humans, *never* meet a human's needs. K will understand, he might even talk in emotional shorthand with U or Mc, and S feels a teeny bit left out. Just some thoughts before I figure out what the heck's for dinner around here. Happy Hannukah! Io ========================== From: "Mary Ellen Curtin" > 9 Areel & S; Orions -- they should probably be descr; did you > catch the ASCEM thread about "what color are male Orions?" > The consensus seemed to be, orange. "So, should I keep them Orange and >smelly? I think making them smell *bad* is a bit overobvious. Distinctive, instead -- and you know what they say about Orion slave girls (oogh). But we haven't seen the males in canon (except the animated series, which is marginal at best), so I don't actually have a picture in my mind of how they look: clothing, demeanor, voices, faces, etc. And while they show up in fanfic a lot, I don't have a clear picture of them there, either. Maybe we should ask the group if any of the profic has done the work, given you something to start with. > 10 session 2. I don't understand why K doesn't kill Nuradeen, too. > Hm, "aftermath" says because he was wiped. Dunno . . . he's > taken quite a licking in canon and kept on ticking. Howse about he doesn't >kill Nuradeen because he couldn't see him and the other guys touched Kirk to >cause their death? Touch=death is good. This whole power is problematic, unless it has some canon basis -- does it? As I've said before, if you're going to take K somewhere people aren't expecting, you have to ease them into it via canon. > Do you mean it to have echoes of "Devil in the Dark"? because it > does, and the effect (to me) is rather humorous Huh? "Pain!!" yelled in a strange voice. See what I mean? You have to be careful to render unto Kirk the things that are Kirk's, and unto Spock the things that are Spock's -- not hijack powers & lines from S to make K bigger. Couple more general ideas about structure: -- the goal of the story is the Node scene. Everything should tie into or reflect onto that. As it is, it comes a leetle from left field. Some things to think about: - How about making Nuradeen more like Mirror K? What I'm thinking is that when S says "You will not become him" we have to really feel how close K is. So we have to see more points of similarity between K & Nuradeen. Mebbe echoes of Nur's earlier rants in K's speech? Mebbe more people under Nur's command? - I don't know if we need Jean to show up at all. Maybe S will just remember something she has said about Nodes. No matter how you qualify it, she comes too close to being a dea ex machina; she should be saved for only the most special of occasions. - if Jean doesn't show, then we don't need X, which removes a lot of plot and megaplot problems. Yes, still have to break K out of his funk, but that could be done by other means. - Jean or no, mebbe you could play up the h/c by having S touching K (or visa versa) while he's in sickbay, giving him a sense of connectedness by running fingers over face, etc. All very clean and natural, S tells Mc, somehow forgetting to mention that for Vulcans this would count as foreplay (hee hee). If they have been in closer, more special contact in sickbay, K's reaction to S's capture seems less extreme, or less wacko -- we have to really feel in a gut way why K is going ballistic, even though S hasn't been tortured all that badly (as these things go). I'm going to talk about some megaplot issues in private email, to maintain some dramatic tension for the series as a whole. Doctor Science, MA ======================= In a message dated 12/3/99 4:07:03 PM Central Standard Time, mecurtin@alumni.Princeton.EDU writes: << I think making them smell *bad* is a bit overobvious. Distinctive, instead -- and you know what they say about Orion slave girls (oogh). But we haven't seen the males in canon (except the animated series, which is marginal at best), so I don't actually have a picture in my mind of how they look: clothing, demeanor, voices, faces, etc. And while they show up in fanfic a lot, I don't have a clear picture of them there, either. Maybe we should ask the group if any of the profic has done the work, given you something to start with. I wrote a Dear Sam with some Orions in it that I never posted. I can use that description and make them Orange > 10 session 2. I don't understand why K doesn't kill Nuradeen, too. > Hm, "aftermath" says because he was wiped. Dunno . . . he's > taken quite a licking in canon and kept on ticking. Howse about he doesn't >kill Nuradeen because he couldn't see him and the other guys touched Kirk to >cause their death? Touch=death is good. This whole power is problematic, unless it has some canon basis -- does it? As I've said before, if you're going to take K somewhere people aren't expecting, you have to ease them into it via canon. Ain't no clear way to ease them into this new territory at this point. I jumped ahead and at this point Spock knows. > Do you mean it to have echoes of "Devil in the Dark"? because it > does, and the effect (to me) is rather humorous Huh? "Pain!!" yelled in a strange voice. See what I mean? You have to be careful to render unto Kirk the things that are Kirk's, and unto Spock the things that are Spock's -- not hijack powers & lines from S to make K bigger. Only you would remember that. Consider it changed. I forgot that was the mindmeld scene. Couple more general ideas about structure: -- the goal of the story is the Node scene. Everything should tie into or reflect onto that. As it is, it comes a leetle from left field. Some things to think about: - How about making Nuradeen more like Mirror K? What I'm thinking is that when S says "You will not become him" we have to really feel how close K is. So we have to see more points of similarity between K & Nuradeen. Mebbe echoes of Nur's earlier rants in K's speech? Mebbe more people under Nur's command? Nope. They're too far apart in personality and power on a real level. Kirk would never be slapped by his Father-in-law. The best I can do is describe how Kirk is beginning to enjoy dealing pain. - I don't know if we need Jean to show up at all. Maybe S will just remember something she has said about Nodes. No matter how you qualify it, she comes too close to being a dea ex machina; she should be saved for only the most special of occasions. - if Jean doesn't show, then we don't need X, which removes a lot of plot and megaplot problems. Yes, still have to break K out of his funk, but that could be done by other means. I had a brainstorm cruising at 80. Howse about Sarek as the intercessor? I could play up the Father/Son fight and use Jean later. I have a way for him to bring Kirk out of it and his motivation to do so is obvious. But then Jean doesn't get to explain the node, unless she shows up after it is all over, hmmm. - Jean or no, mebbe you could play up the h/c by having S touching K (or visa versa) while he's in sickbay, giving him a sense of connectedness by running fingers over face, etc. All very clean and natural, S tells Mc, somehow forgetting to mention that for Vulcans this would count as foreplay (hee hee). If they have been in closer, more special contact in sickbay, K's reaction to S's capture seems less extreme, or less wacko -- we have to really feel in a gut way why K is going ballistic, even though S hasn't been tortured all that badly (as these things go). You just want more angst. More h/c, more PAINNNNNNN!!!!... Uh-huh, I can do that. ;-D I'm going to talk about some megaplot issues in private email, to maintain some dramatic tension for the series as a whole. >> ================================================= >I gave a date, ME, 4812.2, does that work for you? Seems a little close in time to 4730, when the Excalibur was destroyed, but I can't remember what conversion factor you're using. K stand him up for > Areel, saying "you'll forgive me, Spock, this is what I > need"? Nope. He doesn't even think about it. They're , Kirk and Spock, on >platonic terms. No no, I meant, stand him up for say a chess match or something. Break a date to spend quiet time together. Though S could maybe have been looking forward to a meld, and feel disappointed & jealous but not admit that's what he's feeling. Io ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: "Mary Ellen Curtin" The best I can do is describe >how Kirk is beginning to enjoy dealing pain. That's good. >I had a brainstorm cruising at 80. Howse about Sarek as the intercessor? I >could play up the Father/Son fight and use Jean later. I have a way for him >to bring Kirk out of it and his motivation to do so is obvious. V. good, go with it. But then Jean >doesn't get to explain the node, unless she shows up after it is all over, >hmmm. Or maybe she said something about node or nexus points to S before, and he remembers it -- about how S needs to be near K at all times, because it's too hard to predict when a node will arise, or flower, or whatever they say. This also reduces some of the psychohistorical improbabilities. >You just want more angst. More h/c, more PAINNNNNNN!!!!... who, me?!?;-D Uh-huh, I can do >that. ;-D Indeed. You should probably look at those classic stories, "Muldertorture", "Methostorture", and "Skinnertorture." http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/drive/xsi35/f unny.html Because you seem to have your own wing of the Dungeons of Fanfic for Kirktorture. Somewhere in those dusty corridors between Slash Division and Het Division, a golden man with hazel eyes blah blah and all mod cons is forced to undergo unspeakable torment: as Mulder says, "The pain, the degradation. The incredible, mind-blowing sex . . ." ================================================== = >Admit it, ME, this is fun! I suppose . . . though I can't read the comments from other people: making love in public is hard enough, without listening to someone criticize my technique. One more megaplot point: Did you make up K's Zap! power on the basis of anything in canon, or just because it's cool? If the latter, you maybe should edit it out, have K just use dothe/hysterical strength/ blitzkrieg to crunch the guards' heads together. The other night we were watching "Amok Time". When they started fighting and K is throwing S around & hitting him hard enough to hurt, Dirk snorted and said, "No way!" I said, "That's why Istannor thinks Kirk has powers beyond those of ordinary mortals," and Dirk said, "Hmm. Almost makes sense." That's the reaction you want to get from the audience: that these apparently strange Kirk- powers really explain things in canon. Otherwise, you go over the line to "he's cute but he's not Kirk." As is, the Zap! power is over the line. __________________________________________________ _ Ha! You thought you had escaped! No, we were just working on the next Gol story, but it's wailing & gnashing of teeth time there, so here we go again. Only high-level comments will be posted from now on, most line edits will go to Das Entity only lest my frail brain explode. Not a pretty sight. BTW, Entity -- is Nuradeen a Sikh? Or does he just happen to have a Sikh name? Judith suggested at least one other possibility in the Khan discussion. >Uhura scanned the message stream around Bracos and picked >her way through it with ease. She looked for anything that ^can't figure out whether to recommend "practiced ease" ^or not >would be of concern to a docking ship: weather warnings, > riots, overthrown governments, rampant diseases, supply >requests, and messages. "Captain, there is a message for you >from the Federation Ambassador. Ambassador Fareakjos will >meet you at the Embassy at 1700 hours, shiptime, today." >Uhura smiled at the back of her Captain. He hated diplomatic >meetings and she could read his resignation in the muscles >of his back. She turned and saw Spock looking at her and ^I would think it more natural for her to see Spock out of the ^corner of her eye or as she was turning, notice that he too ^was looking at K's back, and then they share their look. Either ^way, very good & characteristic of all three. >they gave each other a look of shared understanding. >Kirk opened his Log. "Captain's Log, Stardate 4812.2" ^So we're talking before Paradise Syndrome, after Return ^to Tomorrow. It's after Spectre of the Gun, though, and ^a comment McC makes toward the end of this story suggests ^that he has never (consciously) melded with Spock yet -- ^presumably he doesn't remember the one in Return of the ^Archons. I still think the time lapse since Ultimate Computer ^is rather short -- what conversion factor are you using? And isn't ^it handy that Mirror, Mirror is undated?;-D Anyway, I'm still ^unsure about this date. What are the eps it is necessary for ^this story to be after, and which before? I'll have to think if ^there's an ep other than Ultimate Computer that could be ^swapped in for those references. "Lose another game of poker, Mr. Sulu?" Chuckles > floated across the bridge. "You'll have to pay in souvenirs. ^Are we to understand that Sulu had originally promised ^to pay his poker debts with a sushi dinner, and that K is ^telling him to get individual gifts, instead? "An' make sure you find me a >fine bottle of Bracos ale, like I wrote you on the list. You > should know to never draw to an inside straight, Laddy. I ^This is what I don't understand about the sushi and the ^list. Why does Sulu have a list already if he thought he ^was buying sushi? >thought you were a mathematician before you took the helm." ^The mathematicians I know would reply, "That's not math, ^that's *statistics*" -- or even, "that's *empirical*". They think ^this is hilariously funny. >Spock had already joined him in the lift and the doors >closed with his final words. "You wanna bet?" ^Trouble with this sent. is that Spock is the speaker, as written. I can *see* what you mean, but when I try to re-write it, it gets all muddled. Have another go. Sakhi Rehman was >her favorite person to speak Hindi with. ^I know they say it's a dangler, but pfui, leave it. ^Dirk may end up disagreeing, we'll see. >afternoons reminiscing about growing up in New Africa. His ^"up in" is an awkward construction; fix. >family had immigrated to Olde Lagos in the 1940's and still ^New Africa . . . Olde (gack!) Lagos -- why? Is "New ^Africa" canon? What does it mean? How about ^"what was then Lagos" leaving blank (& teasing!) ^the implication that the city's name has been ^changed, but not saying to what. >in the 1940's in the 1900s ^200 years from now, each decade won't seem so important, I think. >"Nemaste,Rehman. Kya hal hein." ^I'm trusting you on the Hindi. Your putting it in gets ^major cool- marks from me. >Sulu jumped up from his chair and rushed to her side. > >Scotty swiveled the center chair around. "Lass, are you >alright?" ^In canon she seems a kind of shaky type -- is she ^shaking? Queasy? Making a noise to attract attention? ^Because seems like Su & Sc are responding rather ^quickly unless she's acting out more. >It was awhile before her attention turned >back to her board. ^I would expect her to dodge notice by staring at ^it unseeing -- this implies that she's looking off into ^space or something else conspicuous. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++ The paras introducing Bracos & Sulu are kind of jumbled. Instead of flowing, they jump around (in POV, mood, etc). Now the section reads: >Bracos was a planet where all the colors were too bright and >the noises were too loud. Sulu had spent their second day in >orbit searching markets and shops for all of his souvenirs. >It was almost dusk, and the loud sounds and too harsh sun of > Bracos had given him more than enough stimulation for the >day. It was still hot, and his shirt clung to his back from >sweat. > >The inhabitants were obvious descendants of the Preservers' >seeding journey through the galaxy. Almost completely Earth >normal, except for a golden skin color never seen in Earth's >recorded history, they had a propensity for shouting and > arguing. The skin color was a gift of the heavy metals in >the food chain. The people of Bracos had been space-farers >and traders when the Federation had happened on them during >the earliest years of the Federation's First Exploratory >phase. > >Historical accounts reported that First Contact crew was so >happy to find humanoids, they invited them to join the >Federation almost as soon as they made planetfall. >Unfortunately, that was well before all the inner workings >of Bracosian politics had been discovered. Universal > Emancipation did not exist, power rested with the Five >Ruling Families. Women were second class citizens, slavery >had only recently been outlawed, and blasphemy against the >official religion was punishable by decapitation. > >All in all, Sulu wished he had never beamed down. > > > Sulu felt on top of the world. He had all the souvenirs and >in record time. Now, he would have just enough time to get >back up to the ship and ... I suggest: Bracos was a planet where all the colors were too bright and the noises were too loud. The sun glinted off the natives' golden skin -- not yellowish, like Sulu's, but shining gold, a gift of the heavy metals saturating their food chain. Otherwise, they were very close to Terran in appearance, obvious descendants of the Preservers' seeding journey through the galaxy. The Bracosians were already space-farers and traders when the Federation happened upon them, early in the First Exploratory Age. ^What are you using for your Future History timeline? ^I have never tried to unscramble it myself, but I'd ^like to see what others have done. Or have you built ^your own? I use Age as in, Renaissance Age, Industrial ^Age, Middles Ages. The First Contact crew was so happy to find humanoids that they invited Bracos to join the Federation almost as soon as they made planetfall. Unfortunately, that was well before all the humans had grasped the inner workings of Bracosian politics. Universal Emancipation ^Is Universal Emancipation a prereq for Fed membership? ^If not, the caps look odd. was not yet a Bracosian concept: power rested with the Five Ruling Families. Women were second class citizens at best, slavery had only recently been outlawed, and blasphemy against the official religion was punishable by decapitation. [Here we need a descr of the city/people: are the buildings stone/concrete/wood/glass? Is the climate hot&dry or hot&humid? Are the people dressed in lots or little? Are the streets narrow or wide? How does Su feel about the smells?] [This transition has got to go: >All in all, Sulu wished he had never beamed down. > > >Sulu felt on top of the world. ] Sulu had spent their second day in orbit searching markets and shops for all of his souvenirs. It was almost dusk, his shirt was clinging to his back with sweat, and his nerves were jangling from overstimulation. But he felt on top of this [adjective or expression] world: every item on his list was checked off, and he would have just enough time to get back up to the ship and ... >"Give me that." > >"I beg your pardon." Sulu looked around him to see if the >man ^the man needs at least a phrase of descr >was talking to someone else. There was no-one else. He ^no-one in the alley, on the street, in the park -- at least ^a word or two of physical setting >Sulu surveyed the area. The man had one other person with >him, for sure and two standing nearby who could be with him, >but were hanging back. ^need a little more clarity in descr of thugs & setting >Sulu heard a sound behind him. He wanted to turn to see who >was coming up behind him, but he was afraid to turn away >from the man in front of him. ^might need a word or two, e.g. licked his lips and ^strained his hearing to the back, balancing himself ^for an attack from behind >Immediately the main guy's ^rephrase please ^and what is the setting if K&S can come up behind ^Su without the thug noticing? >"Nobody, friend, looking for no-one, and on my way to >nowhere. This man is our friend and he wants to go no-place >with us. Is that okay with you?" Kirk's voice was >deceptively soft. Everyone on the crew knew that voice, and >dreaded hearing it. ^I love this para. ^I'll have D take a look at the fight scene -- he's a ^black belt & something of a connoisseur. I think it's ^great, but I'm easily impressed.:-D Mary Ellen ======================================== From: "Mary Ellen Curtin" I showed the fight scene to D (black-belt in Tae Kwon Do, as well as the fencing) and he had some comments: >"I think not." Kirk's cool voice came from his left. ^D thinks K would say: "Oh, I don't think so." >"Nobody, friend, looking for no-one, and on my way to >nowhere. This man is our friend and he wants to go no-place >with us. Is that okay with you?" ^He loves this! >Sudden running from behind made Sulu jerk around just in ^this way, Su doesn't seem terribly competant; D suggests: Sudden footsteps from behind made Sulu whirl around just in >time to see Kirk and Spock move forward, fast, to meet two >men. Spock ducked a blow at his head and punched out with an >open left hand. The air was rammed out of the man's chest ^you can't really punch with an open hand, but D admits ^that "executed an open-hand heel strike" breaks up the ^flow. Maybe "and reached out with . . ." gives even more ^of an effect of nonhuman strength & control >and he fell to the ground retching uncontrollably. Kirk was >moving towards the ringleader. The man pulled a knife and >began to flip it from hand to hand. ^this can't happen at the distance we're seeing it ^while K is still moving forward. Does he pull a knife & lash ^out, K jumps back, then flips knife? >Sulu moved to help, but >a third man suddenly came up from the shadows and his >attention was fully occupied. Sulu ducked a kick and blocked ^what kind of kick? Is this guy a pro or not? >the return backhanded punch. He leaned under a jab and ^the follow-up backhanded punch >rabbit punched his foe three times in the kidneys and then ^a rabbit punch is (by def) a sharp blow to the back ^of the neck >swung around for a round house kick that connected with his ^Su has to take a 1/2 step back even if he is much ^shorter than his opponent (which D assumes from the ^way the fight is going). Then he wd use a back round-house ^or spinning heel-kick >adversary's face. He felt the satisfying crunch of small >bones. ^particularly with the heel-kick, D sez eat em up, Mary Ellen +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From: Istannor@aol.com In a message dated 1/9/00 10:18:47 PM Central Standard Time, mecurtin@alumni.Princeton.EDU writes: << >"I think not." Kirk's cool voice came from his left. ^D thinks K would say: "Oh, I don't think so." I like D's line better. >"Nobody, friend, looking for no-one, and on my way to >nowhere. This man is our friend and he wants to go no-place >with us. Is that okay with you?" ^He loves this! Good! >Sudden running from behind made Sulu jerk around just in ^this way, Su doesn't seem terribly competant; D suggests: Sudden footsteps from behind made Sulu whirl around just in >time to see Kirk and Spock move forward, fast, to meet two >men. Spock ducked a blow at his head and punched out with an >open left hand. The air was rammed out of the man's chest ^you can't really punch with an open hand, but D admits ^that "executed an open-hand heel strike" breaks up the ^flow. Maybe "and reached out with . . ." gives even more ^of an effect of nonhuman strength & control I see a open hand heel strike that imparts a little chi as he impacts, and drives the guy up and off of his feet, but that is too hard to describe fast. I will rewrite >and he fell to the ground retching uncontrollably. Kirk was >moving towards the ringleader. The man pulled a knife and >began to flip it from hand to hand. ^this can't happen at the distance we're seeing it ^while K is still moving forward. Does he pull a knife & lash ^out, K jumps back, then flips knife? Lets leave it as is, with a move back as Kirk notes the knife and Sulu sees the flipping >Sulu moved to help, but >a third man suddenly came up from the shadows and his >attention was fully occupied. Sulu ducked a kick and blocked ^what kind of kick? Is this guy a pro or not? Pro, but not traditional. He is using a flying side kick. >the return backhanded punch. He leaned under a jab and ^the follow-up backhanded punch >rabbit punched his foe three times in the kidneys and then ^a rabbit punch is (by def) a sharp blow to the back ^of the neck> Not in my neighborhood. ;-D It's fast punches, close handed to any part of the body. >swung around for a round house kick that connected with his ^Su has to take a 1/2 step back even if he is much ^shorter than his opponent (which D assumes from the ^way the fight is going). Then he wd use a back round-house ^or spinning heel-kick Heel kick, I saw him doing it. ;-0 really! >adversary's face. He felt the satisfying crunch of small >bones. ^particularly with the heel- kick, D sez >> ======================================